Still no 100% clear option for me to avoid #AI with #Debian's decision.

I had read that @gentoo had an anit-AI stance. But I just read the entire thing: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/AI_policy

It's the first OS statement I've read that specifically mentions the ethical issues. That makes me happy.

No idea what will happen with the linux kernel in #Gentoo, but for the moment it seems like a legit option.

Time will tell

Ugh am I going to have to find a new preferred flavor of #Linux with #AIslop now infesting #Debian ?

@neil

I'ld would be surprised, if #Debian would take environmental aspects into account. I mean, I just came back from a #DebConf, 12000 km flight per direction. I was one of the few people opting for the #vegan lunch. Flying and using animal products is as bad as data centres. So far, we don't care. Sorry!

"I abandon here the Debian emoji."

#debian #linux #eldenring #fromsoftware #gaming

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Miquella's Cross and on the ground is the Debian logo.

So, Debian has fallen, thanks to the (infiltration of?) tech bro supporters. Weren't we supposed to be working/fighting against them? What a truly sad day. How did this happen?

The "social contract" has now been compromised IMHO: It allows for contributing to the destruction of life on our planet as we know it, is generally OK with copyright theft and copyleft whitewashing, and will contribute to the slop-to-code ratio on the interwebs. I would never have imagined this. The social contract felt safe...

I've been most exclusively using Debian from 1998-2016 and considered become a -developer a couple of times.
#debian #demise

How can I best yell at #Debian?

Sending good vibes to everyone in the Debian community navigating the recent transitions. If you're using this moment to do a little distro-hopping, consider jumping over to the BSD side. NetBSD offers a completely independent codebase built on a classic, predictable philosophy. You might just find your new permanent home! 🚩💻
#NetBSD #Debian #FOSS #noai #TechCommunity #antiai

｢ What LLMs in Debian development will do, I fear, is eliminate any incentive to scrap boilerplate or reform policies that require a lot of other senseless human effort. If I had had access to LLMs 30 years ago, I might have just had them generate the rules files, replate with complexity. So they will make Debian even more firmly what it is, and ever less likely to explore what it could become ｣

https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/Debian_and_the_sirens/

#debian #llm #aislop #vibecoding #opensource

#Debian was structured as a democracy of developers (maybe technically a platonic aristocracy, but it does not matter here).

Thanks to this, it got trust that turned it into a fundamental building block for #Linux users (most used distro are Debian derivatives).

Unfortunately, such trust also attracted commercial interest.

Now most of Debian Developers (just like most of #Linux kernel's devs) are corporate employees that would not be assigned to Debian development if they would oppose corporare interests.

So ultimately Debian cannot be trusted anymore: the vote on #LLM is just an evidence of this fact.

To people who use it since decades (I started with Potato because of its focus on #freedom), it's a pain.

Right now I'm slowly moving to #NetBSD.

@skjeggtroll@mastodon.online @freshstart@hachyderm.io @neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

Listen, folks…
If you're trying to convince people that there are alternatives to #Debian #Linux that aren't using AI, you're probably not going to get far by suggesting distributions that literally have no installer and expect you to install Linux by hand from an empty drive, or that haven't put out updated images in eight months, or that don't seem to explain anywhere on their website or in their documentation what their commitments are in terms of patching security vulnerabilities.

Debian developer Antoine Le Gonidec just quit the project over its decision not to ban #LLM-assisted code contributions:

Pretending to have a "neutral stance" when faced with fascism is not neutrality, it’s active collaboration.

AI slop is fascism materialized. Stop it whenever you can!

Source: https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2026/08/msg00041.html

#aislop #debian #gnulinux #linux #distribution

Even if you ignore all the very real ethical concerns posed by so-called “AI”, the fact that LLM bots are swarming the digital commons, making their servers buckle under the load, should be reason enough to ban it from all major free software projects.

#Debian #AI

La dernière grosse déception en date c'est Debian. Juste avant c'était Neovim, y a eu Python, y a eu le kernel de Linux, y a eu, y a eu, bref, ça ne s'arrête pas.

Au bout d'un moment, plus personne n'aura accès aux LLM, et on n'en parlera plus. Mais tous ces fascistoïdes seront toujours là. Tous ces tech bros vont pas disparaître avec l'éclatement de la bulle, ils continueront de donner leur avis non-solicité sur tout et rien.

Comment on reconstruit le libre après autant de déception ? J'entends venir la mélodie des "résistants de 45" (comme disait mon arrière grand père) qui commencent déjà à dire "naaaan mais j'ai jamais vraiment défendu l'IA hein !"
On en fait quoi de tous ces hypocrites qui ont retourné leur veste à la première occasion (et tant pis pour les autres) ?

Le """libre""" exige de la confiance.
Je veux faire scission.

#llm #ia #debian #neovim #technofascisme #libre

I have been using #Debian since around 2004.

That is 22 years, for those keeping count.

I cannot express how disappointed I am that Debian is going to allow for #AISlop to be used in commits. For 22 years I have been a fairly vocal advocate for people to use Debian.

Over the next couple of months I will be transitioning all of my Debian systems to #Gentoo or other Non-Slopified distros.

#NoAI #AntiAi

I will never understand how the project that respected licenses and trademarks so much that they forked the entire #Mozilla stack to comply ever decided that #AI usage could ever be considered ethical.

I have many machines that are somehow related to @pidgin's development and the vast majority of them run #debian. To keep #AI out of #Pidgin, I now I need to find a new distribution. This is yet another example of me having to pay into the #AI time deficit. 🙄

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian%E2%80%93Mozilla_trademark_dispute

#FuckAI

En su día #debian no cedió a los requisitos de copyright de Firefox y sacó Iceweasel. Ahora con el tema del copyright de la IA generativa parece que han preferido escurrir el bulto.

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icono de Iceweasel, el clon marca blanca de Firefox en Debian

To #Debian community: "Responsible Use Of Generative AI" is an oxymoron. GenAI is irresponsible and pernicious. Your voting means whitewashing Big Tech ecocide, destruction of Free Software & Culture and their agenda against the marginalized communities.
PS: A huge thank you for those Debian members that proposed and voted NoAI options.
Now, there are alternatives:
https://codeberg.org/brib/slopfree-software-index
https://noai.starlightnet.work/list.html
https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware
#NoAI #LLM #slop #GenAI

1. Debian Developer resigns from the project in response to the recent vote to allow generative AI use within Debian.
2. A member of the debian-devel mailing list sends the message at left in response.
3. I just sent the message at right in response to that.
#Debian #Linux #AI

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good riddance, antoine the fascist. you love causing damage to the debian project and now you're throwing a temper tantrum like a five-year old child because you can't comprehend the ai evolution. you are nothing more than a deranged person who spits at people's work and expects people to follow their unhinged beliefs, a waste of human space. you are the one who is being fascist here.

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Either the Debian Community Team officially, on the debian-devel mailing list, states that the message below from David Nickelson violates the Code of Conduct and imposes consequences on him for sending it, or I am resigning as maintainer of apt-listchanges and never again taking on any volunteer role within Debian. My contributions to Debian thus far have been extremely small, and I'm sure they will not be terribly missed. Nevertheless, I will not continue to associate myself with an organization which allows messages like the one below to be sent without repercussions.

So, what is the linux distro to look into, succeeding to debian? I use debian for so long i would prefer not to relearn a new type of wheel..

I want foss, and by the way, how do i know if any of the pending software has ai hiding in it?

Now that the limits and the citadel walls are crumbling.

#debian #linux #ai

The #Debian vote is finalized and they now allow responsible use of #AI . Now we see who draws the line where.

To complicate matters, the #Linux #Kernel has a permissive stance, as does #systemd which would seem to disqualify a lot for the never-AI folks.

Where do you stand?

There was a sense in the Inkscape project that it should be the developer team that decided what the AI policy should be.

I flatty rejected this.

Because most of the consequences for the project, for our users and for the world have absolutely nothing to do with developing software. It's reputation, risk, relationships and community standards and morality.

The last thing I wanted was important decisions to be pre-narrowed to questions of technical usefulness.

#linux #debian #foss #ai

I'm trying to calibrate my fear on a rather scary scenario in the back of my mind.

At some point, #AI companies are going to start feeling pressure from investors to turn a profit, pressure from regulators to avoid environmental damage, and so on. That'll make them desperate for money.

What if, at that point, they take a bunch of money from nation-state spooks to program their coding agents to insert malware into major #FOSS projects like #Debian and #Linux?

People are upset about debian but debian would have to reject the kernel to reject LLMs. The fish starts rotting from the head. No distribution will be better than the very kernel it runs. The entire ecosystem is collapsing.

We really do have the 30M lines problem, as Molly Rocket put it. The kernel have always been a single point of failure

We need a standardized SoC (system on chip) with entire system ISA (instruction set architecture). We need operating systems to be a weekend projects. We need thousands of operating systems. We need open source hardware that will enable that.

#debian #linux #kernel #slop #isa #soc #mollyRocket #embedded #permaComputing #retrohardware #programming #operatingsystem #os #device #OpenSourceHardware #OSHW

That's some response:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2026/08/msg00041.html

#debian

"What is a boy to do?"

Nowhere to go, don't wanna spend money, hmm...

Of ALL things,... I'm installing #gentoo, lmao. No foolin', my Thinkpad is running emerge rn as I go through the install steps.

I'm a #Debian faithful since around 2012, but I've always wanted to go down the gentoo spiral. My Thinkpad is my usual toy, so I picked OpenRC and KDE, I'm at the initial system steps, I have yet to reboot, still chrooted. We'll see! 👌

🐅🇨🇭🐅 On my way  to MiniDebconf Winterhur 🐅🇨🇭🐅

#Debian #LinuxMobile #phosh #winterthur

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A small tiger fluffy toy with a Phosh collar. In front of it a phone in landscape mode.

🐅🇨🇭🐅 I really like it here at MiniDebconf Winterthur 🐅🇨🇭🐅

Tomorrow is already the last day.

#phosh #linuxmobile #debian #debconf #minidebconfch

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A photo of a table with stickers from Debian, Mobian, postmarketOS and Phosh and Phoshi in the top left corner.

So I have been primarily a Debian user since like Debian Woody. That's damn near 20 years now.

I'm probably not going to be moving off it anytime soon just because it is where my home is.

But if I wanted to move to another distro, given the situation... What other options are there?

I want something rock solid stable. I mean, it shouldn't break unless I break it. Debian has always been that for me.

#distrohopping #Debian #slop

@jwz @leah Your quote from 2016 reads like it was written today. #debian #llm ”I guess you want Debian to be the kind of operation that uses the work of others while blatantly and explicitly ignoring the wishes of the person who *did the actual creative work*.” https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703#168

#Debian continues its trend of shitting the bed it would seem.

It wasn't even a decision made with conviction, it was the 'do nothing and hope it works out' option.

#Linux

Also, those arguing this was inevitable... nothing is inevitable if you have the power to say no.

The heat death of the universe is inevitable. A FOSS project caving to the whims of a mediocre few is not.

Worth remembering that #Debian is the upstream for the majority of the slop machines anyway.

Know what computer I've used - and loved! - that isn't taking #AI slop?

The Commodore 64.

Maybe I'll switch my #debian laptop to one of the new ones.

so i have questions about #Debian:

1. are members ONLY developers?

2. only developers argued for/against #LLM #AI?

devs are the last people who should be involved in discussions about the ethics and legality of software. ie:

just reckoned, when a court recently decided you can't claim #copyright on #aislop, it didn't occur to me it means both closed and open copyright.

so, if using #LLMs trained on works stolen or added without consent removes any claims of #FLOSS: what is Debian now?

I've loved #Debian for years. Decades, really. The main reason for that is it's always seemed, to me, to be the best place to actually control and own your own computer.

That trust is gone for me. We can talk responsible, not responsible, whatever. The fact is, LLMs are trained on the hard work of billions of people, and put into a blender and sold back to us. It's more separation of workers from the fruit of their labors, to the profit of capitalists.

That's not even getting into the environmental impacts, the bias in it, etc. And especially not getting into the horrible, HORRIBLE people in charge of it all.

I do not want that on my laptop, folks. I just don't.

@neil Damn, I will have to find a new favourite distro.

#GnuLinux #Linux #Debian #aislop

I have decided to shut down my #mastodon instance, and all my public facing web services.

This will happen in 3 months time, on November 29, 2026, to allow everyone to backup and migrate.

The reason for this is that I can no longer trust:

- the #Linux kernel
- #Debian
- rails
- most #Foss projects

Additionally, I'm basically out of storage, it is unaffordable to purchase more, and no one is interested in donating to help.

Our bastion of free computing has been poisoned by fascist gen ai slop, and basically NONE of it can be trusted anymore.

It's impossible to vet slop from an ecosystem that is welcoming of it.

This makes it nearly impossible to update my systems, which makes it harder to pretend it's even remotely secure.

I'm fucking devestated - gutted by what has happened to computing, and I just do not have the resources to keep fighting.

Fuck all you #LLM boosters into the sun. May you learn the folly of your way and DO SOMETHING TO FIX IT!

I keep seeing people calling this the middle-ground/neutral/status-quo option but it doesn’t feel like it to me.

And this page ranks it as the most pro-LLM, if I’m reading it correctly https://diziet.dreamwidth.org/20998.html

#Debian

@Khrys Les propositions no-Ai ont été clairement rejetées (dont la 1 qui n’a pas la « majorité », mais je n’ai pas compris pourquoi elle avait un seuil particulier) et les plus permissives ont reçu le plus de support.
On est effectivement loin de l’esprit du contrat social de #Debian.

La proposition B avait ma préférence personnelle et il y aurait eu un intérêt à la regrouper avec la D et éventuellement la C (une idée pour avril/mai 2027 ? #frpol #polfr ).

Sinon, se (re)mettre à #Gentoo ?

Il est temps de séparer les collabos des big tech des libristes ayant une colonne vertébrale politique et éthique.

Ce mélange des genres n'a que trop duré.

#Debian #IA

Disappointed that #Debian has chosen what seems like the worst possible option in its vote on LLMs.

No acknowledgement of the harms involved in LLM usage; instead, a claim that they ‘substantially improve productivity’. (It claims not to be an endorsement but makes only pro-LLM statements.)

Vague platitudes about using LLMs ‘responsibly’ when it’s become very clear by now that LLM users can’t be trusted to be responsible without constant supervision. And no requirement for disclosure of LLM usage, even.

It didn’t seem likely that the strongest anti-LLM proposals would pass, but it would have been nice to have at least some restrictions put into place.

💥 LLM usage in Debian neither endorsed nor prohibited

https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002#texte

#debian #llm #ai #vibecoding #opensource

@Khrys Je commence avec #deltachat mais les petites applications en mode collaboratif sont trop bien.

J’avais regardé plusieurs fois, j’attendais un empaquetage dans ma distribution #Debian préférée et j’ai sauté le pas sur mon #librem5 sous #mobian avec un flatpack

Merci @sebsauvage pour ta page d’ailleurs que m’aide à expliquer aux gens

https://sebsauvage.net/wiki/doku.php?id=deltachat

Been using #Deskflow with my #Debian #Linux #KDE #Plasma #Wayland box as the "server" and my #NetBSD #ctwm #X11 laptop as the "client" or second screen.

It's amazing that it works, but it's buggy. I'll get a few repeat keystrokes, and sometimes the control key gets stuck.

#DontHateTheHashtagPlayaHateTheHashtagGame